@Wizardry
Some days are better than others, because there is a positive change occurring and there is a reprieve for a while? I remember being there, those days kept me going.
What do you do for a release of physical energy?
Perseveration and Rumination combined seem like a challenge I would need help with. How could we support you here with this?
Also to add that people who live with low moods are more resiliant/much tougher than they are often credited with being.
@Amity said: @Wizardry
Some days are better than others, because there is a positive change occurring and there is a reprieve for a while? I remember being there, those days kept me going.
I'd describe it as having something else to focus on and think about. Even then, that doesn't work all the time. The most effective way to lift my mood seems to be to get intoxicated, but if I allowed myself to get intoxicated whenever I felt down, I'd very soon develop an addiction again, so I limit it to Friday and Saturday only.
Amity said:
What do you do for a release of physical energy?
I'm pretty sedentary in my own time, but not having a car necessitates a lot of walking and riding my bicycle. My job also requires varying degrees of physical work.
Honestly though, I'm not particularly fond of physical activity.
Amity said:
Perseveration and Rumination combined seem like a challenge I would need help with. How could we support you here with this?
What complicates things is that I kinda want to think about this stuff, because overcoming these two major problems I have is the most important thing in my life. I'd go so far as to say that that's the only acceptable long-term solution, so I feel like if I'm not trying to figure out how to solve these problems then they're not going to be solved and I'm going to continue to be miserable, and that makes it hard not to think about them. It's a similar sort of thing as if I lose an important item somewhere in my house, I'm not going to be able to relax until I find it.
I'm not really sure how NV could support me with this stuff in a way that creates a long-term improvement in my well-being. I guess brainstorming solutions could potentially help, but I've probably had thousands of conversations about my problems online and have yet to encounter practical solutions that I have any faith in.
The only other thing I can think of that could help in the short term is having people to talk to about some of my problems, but given that it's unlikely that anyone here can do anything to change them and I'm sometimes prone to go on and on about the same thing, I'd imagine the conversation would get pretty monotonous for the other person/people.
Amity said:
Also to add that people who live with low moods are more resiliant/much tougher than they are often credited with being.
I appreciate that, but people who are trapped in situations where they experience persistent low moods don’t have much of a choice but to keep living with their low moods, so resilience is really their only option unless they opt to do something drastic, which is pretty hard for most people to do. For this reason, I'm not sure it's necessarily fair to view their resilience as strength of character so much as it is a necessity of circumstance. Anyone could be put in my situation and no matter how they react, as long as they don't do anything drastic, they could be credited with demonstrating as much resilience as I am.
Wizardry, have you noticed anything that seems to help take the edge off or distract you while you feel this way? Talking about it, engaging in a hobby, whatever?
From my own low moods or periods of depression, I noticed that sometimes it helps to try to analyse where they come from and if anything can be done about it, while sometimes it seems to make it worse and make me more miserable because I feel I have no "real" reason to be miserable in the first place or there's nothing I can do to change things. If that makes sense.
In such cases, I just try to distract myself for a while as thinking about it further will prologue such periods and make them worse. And if I start spinning in my head, I won't be able to sleep either and kickstart a vicious circle.
I'm not talking about anything that would make you feel happy or over the moon, I don't think that's even possible - I just bury myself in a book or go for a long hike that will exhaust me - it might seem avoidant but I think it's actually allowing myself a break, some room to breathe.
Without it, I feel I end up entrapped in that state and lose all perspective.
Amity said:
Also to add that people who live with low moods are more resiliant/much tougher than they are often credited with being.
I appreciate that, but people who are trapped in situations where they experience persistent low moods don’t have much of a choice but to keep living with their low moods, so resilience is really their only option unless they opt to do something drastic, which is pretty hard for most people to do. For this reason, I'm not sure it's necessarily fair to view their resilience as strength of character so much as it is a necessity of circumstance. Anyone could be put in my situation and no matter how they react, as long as they don't do anything drastic, they could be credited with demonstrating as much resilience as I am.
I was just talking to someone about how it's possible to build tolerance to pain in a similar way you would develop a skill. That's exactly what you're doing, even if the pain is not physical.
I disagree that anyone can do it. While by "drastic" I'll risk a guess you're referring to suicide, may people develop other highly maladaptive behaviours to cope: hate and a desire (often put turned into action) to hurt others is a very common example. Addiction is also common along with an array of destructive or anti-social behaviours.
What you seem to be doing resembles more a form of stoicism from what I can gather, in which case you shouldn't hesitate to give yourself credit for it, because it's not common at all.
I am bored out of my gourd. Listening to a webinar for work that is so incompetent and so basic and so agonizing to listen to.
I can sympathize with the chronic paid issues, I hope magpie and bender get some relief soon. There is nothing I have found helpful with chronic pain except sleep and a lot of it. I feel like such a wimp when I have to sleep so much, but I have no ability for brain function when I am hurting.
Wizardry, I feel so for your pain. The techniques that have been most effective for me are ones that involve pushing through with things that "don't work" and things "I know won't work" and this is "so stupid," and then keep doing it over and over again and at some point they actually start working, Not enough at first to make it "worth the effort." It takes a long time and a lot of effort.
I know you have the gumption to follow through on something like this because you did that weight loss program, whatever it was, and were so successful at that. Weight loss and/or an exercise program is, in a sense, easier than trying to change thinking patterns; both of the former are concrete and measurable.
But, I seem to remember that you are not interested in making changes in your specific personal goals or in the way you think. Am I remembering and/or interpreting this correctly? Or if this is none of my business that is okay too.
@magpie said:
In pain.
Regular, physical pain.
I was told it would go away after giving births, but it didn't.
I'm sorry, I've been in constant pain for a week now and I have no idea how long it will last - all I can do is commiserate.
That's worse than mine. I know mine will be gone tomorrow.
Hugs to you!
Thank you both, aside from the pain, I'm fine. It will probably drag for another week or two, I'm starting to get used to it.
Sorry you are in pain, may it be a speedy recovery and you will be spinning around the kitchen in no time - or is that what caused it lol.
At least on here it is nice n dark.
Ive had chronic pain for a couple of months. Nothing serious as in life threatening. Just pulled muscle or pinched nerve or both. My doc is aware of it.
@Wulfnite said:
Ive had chronic pain for a couple of months. Nothing serious as in life threatening. Just pulled muscle or pinched nerve or both. My doc is aware of it.
Acupuncture works wonders for muscular pain, though can be expensive Wulf.
I'm sad.
My daughter is very ill again today. It's hard to watch her suffer and know that there isn't anything I can do for her physical problems, except to support her emotionally. She's on the best medications and she has the best specialists. I'm very grateful for the care she receives, but it breaks my heart to see her struggle on days like this. We're seeing the Nephrologist in person on Monday to ensure she's still in remission. It seems that she is, and she may just need another medication change, but in the meantime I wish there was something I could do. I love her so much.
@Wulfnite said:
Ive had chronic pain for a couple of months. Nothing serious as in life threatening. Just pulled muscle or pinched nerve or both. My doc is aware of it.
Acupuncture works wonders for muscular pain, though can be expensive Wulf.
I've got some sewing needles and there's probably a DIY video.
@Wulfnite said:
Ive had chronic pain for a couple of months. Nothing serious as in life threatening. Just pulled muscle or pinched nerve or both. My doc is aware of it.
Acupuncture works wonders for muscular pain, though can be expensive Wulf.
I've got some sewing needles and there's probably a DIY video.
LOL I wouldn't be surprised - I recently got first suggestion on google search "how to remove a kidney stone at home"
@Wulfnite said:
Ive had chronic pain for a couple of months. Nothing serious as in life threatening. Just pulled muscle or pinched nerve or both. My doc is aware of it.
Acupuncture works wonders for muscular pain, though can be expensive Wulf.
I've got some sewing needles and there's probably a DIY video.
@Wulfnite said:
Ive had chronic pain for a couple of months. Nothing serious as in life threatening. Just pulled muscle or pinched nerve or both. My doc is aware of it.
Acupuncture works wonders for muscular pain, though can be expensive Wulf.
I've got some sewing needles and there's probably a DIY video.
LOL I wouldn't be surprised - I recently got first suggestion on google search "how to remove a kidney stone at home"
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@Wizardry
Some days are better than others, because there is a positive change occurring and there is a reprieve for a while? I remember being there, those days kept me going.
What do you do for a release of physical energy?
Perseveration and Rumination combined seem like a challenge I would need help with. How could we support you here with this?
Also to add that people who live with low moods are more resiliant/much tougher than they are often credited with being.
I'd describe it as having something else to focus on and think about. Even then, that doesn't work all the time. The most effective way to lift my mood seems to be to get intoxicated, but if I allowed myself to get intoxicated whenever I felt down, I'd very soon develop an addiction again, so I limit it to Friday and Saturday only.
I'm pretty sedentary in my own time, but not having a car necessitates a lot of walking and riding my bicycle. My job also requires varying degrees of physical work.
Honestly though, I'm not particularly fond of physical activity.
What complicates things is that I kinda want to think about this stuff, because overcoming these two major problems I have is the most important thing in my life. I'd go so far as to say that that's the only acceptable long-term solution, so I feel like if I'm not trying to figure out how to solve these problems then they're not going to be solved and I'm going to continue to be miserable, and that makes it hard not to think about them. It's a similar sort of thing as if I lose an important item somewhere in my house, I'm not going to be able to relax until I find it.
I'm not really sure how NV could support me with this stuff in a way that creates a long-term improvement in my well-being. I guess brainstorming solutions could potentially help, but I've probably had thousands of conversations about my problems online and have yet to encounter practical solutions that I have any faith in.
The only other thing I can think of that could help in the short term is having people to talk to about some of my problems, but given that it's unlikely that anyone here can do anything to change them and I'm sometimes prone to go on and on about the same thing, I'd imagine the conversation would get pretty monotonous for the other person/people.
I appreciate that, but people who are trapped in situations where they experience persistent low moods don’t have much of a choice but to keep living with their low moods, so resilience is really their only option unless they opt to do something drastic, which is pretty hard for most people to do. For this reason, I'm not sure it's necessarily fair to view their resilience as strength of character so much as it is a necessity of circumstance. Anyone could be put in my situation and no matter how they react, as long as they don't do anything drastic, they could be credited with demonstrating as much resilience as I am.
Wizardry, have you noticed anything that seems to help take the edge off or distract you while you feel this way? Talking about it, engaging in a hobby, whatever?
From my own low moods or periods of depression, I noticed that sometimes it helps to try to analyse where they come from and if anything can be done about it, while sometimes it seems to make it worse and make me more miserable because I feel I have no "real" reason to be miserable in the first place or there's nothing I can do to change things. If that makes sense.
In such cases, I just try to distract myself for a while as thinking about it further will prologue such periods and make them worse. And if I start spinning in my head, I won't be able to sleep either and kickstart a vicious circle.
I'm not talking about anything that would make you feel happy or over the moon, I don't think that's even possible - I just bury myself in a book or go for a long hike that will exhaust me - it might seem avoidant but I think it's actually allowing myself a break, some room to breathe.
Without it, I feel I end up entrapped in that state and lose all perspective.
I was just talking to someone about how it's possible to build tolerance to pain in a similar way you would develop a skill. That's exactly what you're doing, even if the pain is not physical.
I disagree that anyone can do it. While by "drastic" I'll risk a guess you're referring to suicide, may people develop other highly maladaptive behaviours to cope: hate and a desire (often put turned into action) to hurt others is a very common example. Addiction is also common along with an array of destructive or anti-social behaviours.
What you seem to be doing resembles more a form of stoicism from what I can gather, in which case you shouldn't hesitate to give yourself credit for it, because it's not common at all.
In pain.
Regular, physical pain.
I was told it would go away after giving births, but it didn't.
I'm sorry, I've been in constant pain for a week now and I have no idea how long it will last - all I can do is commiserate.
That's worse than mine. I know mine will be gone tomorrow.
Hugs to you!
Sorry to hear that, might a hot water bottle help?
I woke up having a vertigo attack.
So I won't be posting for a while.
Tem, I'm so sorry, as a fellow sufferer I send you hugs and spoons
you feel better soon also Bender. A speedy recovery for all.
I really wish you could take some sort of course, Wizard.
I am bored out of my gourd. Listening to a webinar for work that is so incompetent and so basic and so agonizing to listen to.
I can sympathize with the chronic paid issues, I hope magpie and bender get some relief soon. There is nothing I have found helpful with chronic pain except sleep and a lot of it. I feel like such a wimp when I have to sleep so much, but I have no ability for brain function when I am hurting.
Wizardry, I feel so for your pain. The techniques that have been most effective for me are ones that involve pushing through with things that "don't work" and things "I know won't work" and this is "so stupid," and then keep doing it over and over again and at some point they actually start working, Not enough at first to make it "worth the effort." It takes a long time and a lot of effort.
I know you have the gumption to follow through on something like this because you did that weight loss program, whatever it was, and were so successful at that. Weight loss and/or an exercise program is, in a sense, easier than trying to change thinking patterns; both of the former are concrete and measurable.
But, I seem to remember that you are not interested in making changes in your specific personal goals or in the way you think. Am I remembering and/or interpreting this correctly? Or if this is none of my business that is okay too.
Thank you both, aside from the pain, I'm fine. It will probably drag for another week or two, I'm starting to get used to it.
Sorry you are in pain, may it be a speedy recovery and you will be spinning around the kitchen in no time - or is that what caused it lol.
At least on here it is nice n dark.
Somewhat depressed. And tired from poor sleep.
I hope that you are able to feel better later, and that you can get better quality sleep tonight.
Wulfnite you could take a few self care days
Hylian how is your brother?
Feeling better. Better sleep will be achieved by not staying up too late doing a bunch of stuff.
Actually, I slept pretty well too and the pain, while not gone is also much better.
Ive had chronic pain for a couple of months. Nothing serious as in life threatening. Just pulled muscle or pinched nerve or both. My doc is aware of it.
Acupuncture works wonders for muscular pain, though can be expensive Wulf.
Hoping everyone feels better today.
I'm sad.
My daughter is very ill again today. It's hard to watch her suffer and know that there isn't anything I can do for her physical problems, except to support her emotionally. She's on the best medications and she has the best specialists. I'm very grateful for the care she receives, but it breaks my heart to see her struggle on days like this. We're seeing the Nephrologist in person on Monday to ensure she's still in remission. It seems that she is, and she may just need another medication change, but in the meantime I wish there was something I could do. I love her so much.
Watching your child suffer without being able to do anything about it is one of the worst experiences you can have.
I'm sorry both of you are going through this and hoping for better days.
Wishing your daughter good health Isabella.
I've got some sewing needles and there's probably a DIY video.
LOL I wouldn't be surprised - I recently got first suggestion on google search "how to remove a kidney stone at home"
At least you have preserved your sense of humour
Oh cool! Searching....